Tim Alberta is a staff writer for The Atlantic. He formerly served as chief political correspondent for Politico and is the author of American Carnage: On the Front Lines of the Republican Civil War and the Rise of President Trump.

The following interview was conducted by the Kirk Documentary Group’s Mike Wiser for FRONTLINE on May 6, 2022. It has been edited for clarity and length.

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